jay leno takes a closer look at the elmirage

"andthelike" (andthelike)
08/28/2013 at 14:05 • Filed to: None

I really like the all the little details on this car.

DISCUSSION (78)

desertdog5051 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 14:10

Stunning car.

desertdog5051 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 14:19

How come none of the Jalops/Oppo's who went to PB did not get pics of that.

PS9 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 14:20

Kinja'd!!!

Hmph. Why couldn't I be Jay Leno...

LuczOr > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 14:20

They mention the possibility of a 4 door coupe. I just have one thing to say.

Suicide Rear Doors.

Do it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 14:27

Guy almost crapped his pants when Leno said "Cimmaron"

NinetyQ > LuczOr
08/28/2013 at 14:39

I agree, but I also have one thing to say: four-door coupe is just a sleek sedan, not a coupe.

LuczOr > NinetyQ
08/28/2013 at 14:45

I agree with you. I was just parroting their terminology.

Gpivovarov > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 14:47

He has the most soothing voice. i want one.

NinetyQ > LuczOr
08/28/2013 at 14:47

I know. It was directed at them, not you. I was hoping Leno was going to have an outburst about that term, but he didn't.

LuczOr > NinetyQ
08/28/2013 at 14:52

Yeah, terminology is getting stupid. For instance, the BMW 6 series Gran Coupe is a 4 door. It should be called a sedan. BUT NO, it has swoopy lines so it is a coupe.

Also the Mercedes CLS Shooting Brake is a 4 door. It should be called a wagon. BUT NO, it has swoopy lines so it is a shooting brake.

ProcessBlack > Gpivovarov
08/28/2013 at 15:24

Welburn interviews are the best. He's someone who has one of the best jobs in the world and he knows it. I can't imagine him not sporting a smile.

GrauGeist > LuczOr
08/28/2013 at 15:28

That 4-door "coupe" would be the droptop we saw before, but with a fixed roof.

Given that it was definitely designed, but never shown, I think it is what is actually going into production.

Collin > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 15:29

Was anyone else distracted by the audio quality?

MowtownMuscle1996 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 15:32

I want that fucking car so bad!

iJared > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 15:37

I think we just found the new Batmobile.

Fdor > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 15:39

For a car that long the length of the body beyond the front wheel looks a little stubby. Maybe if they swapped to the smaller wheels it would look better proportioned. Overall it looks nice but that one spot kind of throws me given the overall length of the car.

M-S-Ford > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 15:44

I always wonder where all these concepts end up. Both those that go into production and those that don't. As it appears to me, many are fully functional vehicles. Who owns them?

i__cam > Collin
08/28/2013 at 15:45

Distracted as an interesting word, but I guess was slightly distracting in that the quality was SO good. Is that what you meant? Randomly I just started listening to a podcast (breaking bad insider) where the audio quality was head and shoulders above every other podcast I listen to. Helps to be in the same room and using the highest quality equipment I guess.

The World of Vee > PS9
08/28/2013 at 15:49

or atleast his nephew or close friend or something

55_mercury > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 15:53

Mr Welburn is perhaps one of the best speakers when it comes to company spokespeople. Very confident, yet relaxing demeanor and he also seems to really feel passionate about the products he shows.

Collin > i__cam
08/28/2013 at 15:54

Seriously? The volume would rise and fall randomly, there were pops here and there, etc.

Andy Sheehan, StreetsideStig > Gpivovarov
08/28/2013 at 15:55

I noticed the same thing. I want that guy to be a radio host or something.

4typhive > LuczOr
08/28/2013 at 16:00

Can someone give LuczOr a gold star. Awesome idea.

i__cam > Collin
08/28/2013 at 16:00

I definitely didn't hear that. Lol. Maybe it's been a long day...just ready to go from work.

i__cam > Collin
08/28/2013 at 16:02

Actually, I do remember when Jay gets in the car, he's looking away from where his mic was placed on his chest, so the volume changes a bit, but other than that I don't remember anything major.

Meatcoma > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:02

HAHA, anyone notice his face when leno mentions the cimmaron? He's like 'Cimmaron? You mentioned the cimmaron in this presence?' good stuff haha.

April_N_ > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:03

They need to offer this maybe starting with a small V8 or twin turbo V6, and then have a halo model with a V16!

Kake Bake > Gpivovarov
08/28/2013 at 16:20

I want to drive Ed Welburn's voice.

FEC > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:20

I'd love to join in with the wankfest but this cars proportions fall apart in the rear three quarters to a quite dramatic extent. It looks like the hips are out of proportion and it could be sitting on jacked up rear leaf springs. It's quite a common modern trait where over-sized wheels and flared arches are used on a car where the D pillar falls awkwardly (see virtually any 'styled/tuned' BMW or Merc). Forget appealing to 12 year old alloyophiles and try and remember the style, class and elegance of Cadillac from the 30s or 60s.

Bryce Womeldurf > PS9
08/28/2013 at 16:24

Wear more denim and you could be...

Kinja'd!!!

Nisman > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:31

10/10 would buy.

RidgeFish > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:44

This video needs 100% more denim.

the7thearlofgrey > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:44

Hey Ed, I like these thin A-Pillars they allow me more chin room

stigshift > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 16:50

Cadillac needs to keep it as a two door hardtop. Geez I wish there was a styling battle going on between them and Lincoln....Maybe some day ahead.

kyngfish > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:00

Does anyone know the size of this thing? I think it's a stunning car but the proportions could be *slightly smaller and I'd be ok with it. I feel like the hood could be about a foot shorter.

BvsK > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:04

I call BS on the A-pillar's structural rigidity.

BvsK > Gpivovarov
08/28/2013 at 17:07

He is way too cool to not be taking horse sedatives.

Fuel_of_Satan > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:08

Funny how the only thing that makes Jay Leno dress up is a high-brow car show.

protodad > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:27

Although I am not a fan of the fad that has everything from Bro Trucks to M3's covered in flat black, I could really see one of these laid out, flat black and some steel wheels with whitewalls. Aww Yea!

RazorGP > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:33

Those headlights probably will never see production in the US. DOT regulations are retarded just like the CAFE mandates.

TrekHuis > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:36

Does it come in black ?

Kinja'd!!!

IRS4 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:38

Flag lapel pin. Anything you'd like to announce about 2016, Jay?

Sean > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 17:53

Disagree with Jay about the 'european' thing. This look 'MERICAN, in the best way possible!

GM: BUILD. THIS. CAR.

Mustang 'DontHitTheCrowd' GT > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 18:12

Look at Ed's face very carefully when Leno mentions the Cimarron.
He gives a very awkward look! "You mean, he-who-must-not-be-named, right?"

Doug Nash > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 18:43

The look is okay. That's certainly subjective. But what's not, is the fact that GM has not done well with their existing Cadillac coupe. I know, it's just the CTS with two-doors. But still, what would really be the value or impact if they went into production on a giant two-door land yacht? It seems to be counter to their design and engineering ethos of late. I'd simply have been more impressed had this thing been forged as a competitor to the king - the S-class sedan. That would seem to have had more room to run, than this "novelty".

Kailand09 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 21:37

I died of envy for this vehicle when they showed real wood on that interior. Absolutely one of the best interiors I've ever seen, if you don't include some of the older vehicles that I saw at the Masterpiece.

KCZ47 > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 21:37

Oh God this car is beautiful.... This is the perfect revival of classic American car design. It looks modern, but still so damn classy. If I could choose to put any concept into production, it'd be this one. And although I'd never be able to own it, seeing one drive by would make my day every time. Now it just needs a little beefier engine (440hp is nice, but still....) and boom, we've America's signature car for the 21st century.

Please Cadillac, put this car into production.

Oblivion Toad > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 21:39

Cimmaron? Isn't that a bit harsh? I'd say it is more apt to mention the Catera. That was a car that Car and Driver apologized later for saying nice things about.

J0SHTK > andthelike
08/28/2013 at 22:59

Dat Door. Thick biotch!!

GDan > Gpivovarov
08/28/2013 at 23:49

His voice makes me think of Billy Dee Williams.

Mike Fresh, Toomp and Hop > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 00:03

That brotha looked like he was about to blow up (he was bitting his lip and huffing)....did the Cimarron hit a nerve like that? I thought Jay was about to catch a ass whoopin.

cluelessk > Collin
08/29/2013 at 00:05

Leno's voice was way louder than Welburn's.

It actually made the video difficult to watch.

Frankenbike666 > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 02:14

Do any photos exist of this car that aren't taken with a super wide angle lens? I've yet to see one.

300hp30mpgrwdfor30k > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 02:57

Jay always gets the cool cars and gets to chat about them, it's like he blesses them for all the car guys. I wonder if anyone's ever brought him one that was just total crap? Jay's like "Look, I'm a nice guy but we both know this is shit, right?" I'd hate to see it, but I'd love to see it. Long live Jay Leno.

Fuel_of_Satan > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 07:13

I knew it reminded me of something, but I had to see the video twice before it came to me: It kind of reminds me of a Cadillac Sixteen, only toned down for production.

Collin > cluelessk
08/29/2013 at 07:58

Ok, so at least I'm not crazy.

bae125 > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 08:02

That car is really growing on me...very elegant, something current Caddillacs are not. I wonder with that grille mesh, if they inset it about an inch, kind of like the old Jag look...give it some depth. Very pretty car.

bae125 > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 08:03

That thin chrome outline of the side window area is really striking, great line.

BionicPhil > kyngfish
08/29/2013 at 08:23

It's big. Bentley Arnage big. Probably longer than a Bentley Continental, actually. These are the two shots I took of the car on display. This is a massive, 2-door "Statement" car. Movie producers, NBA players, uber-wealthy rich dudes with wives a fraction of their age... that type of target consumer.

Kinja'd!!!

BionicPhil > desertdog5051
08/29/2013 at 08:25

I took two shots, posted somewhere below...

Boris_Nofziger_1000 > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 09:03

"This looks very European".

Serious? It's everything but European. I see it and I think of the '67 Eldorado. I also think of the return of the great american personal luxury coupe - Eldo, Riviera, Thunderbird, Caribbean - before those cars became caricatures of themselves in the late 1970's and then meaningless badge-engineered derivatives of lesser cars in the 1980's before finally being put to rest in the 1990's because "nobody wants two door luxury" [other than CLK, G35, 3-series, A/S5, 6er]...

Porcodio > Sean
08/29/2013 at 09:31

As a non american i agree with you, it looks very american, it looks very Cadillac, and it looks very good.

khackett > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 09:50

Outside of The Tonight Show, I've never seen Jay NOT wear denim. Could he respect Cadillac this much? Also, I'm really trying to like this car, but it's almost too conservative. The grill looks like plastic, the wheels are an after thought, the color seems very normal, the fog lights don't integrate. Seems rushed. The overall look would easily compete with Rolls/Bentley though. Love the refreshed logo, LOVE the no-B pillar concept, but too conservative. Maybe they are trying to make up for CTS coupe? ATS is definitely conservative. New approach?

RSBro > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 10:15

This is a great looking piece. Caddy is really stepping up their game. I miss my '11 CTS 3.6 and should have waited for the turbo '14 model in the first place!

topgunner > cluelessk
08/29/2013 at 11:35

This. I was having to adjust the volume throughout.

The_Dullest_Tool > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 13:38

Does anybody know what that cable coming out of the bottom of the car is? Its really obvious at 1:54, they covered it with the gravel and then it runs along the wall.

I love you but I've chosen hooning! > Gpivovarov
08/29/2013 at 13:56

MOAR MOAR DON'T STOP SPEAKING!!!

XJguy > andthelike
08/29/2013 at 21:46

Man they need to make a world car already, but they cant just do looks it has to be the complete package. All show and no go like the Allante and many other past cars will set them back 100 years.

Galant Enthusiast > NinetyQ
09/18/2013 at 12:37

Its a coupe, coupes have no B pillar...

NinetyQ > Galant Enthusiast
09/18/2013 at 13:25

Coupe primarily means 2 doors. So a "four-door coupe" isn't a real thing. Just a sleek sedan at that point, B-pillar or not.

Galant Enthusiast > NinetyQ
09/18/2013 at 13:47

You're right for it to be a true coupe with no number of doors specified it must be a 2 door with a hard top and no b pillar, like a 1st gen Camaro. Then you have 2 and 4 door sedans with b pillars and 4 door coupes like the 4th generation Lincoln Continental. Number of doors really doesn't matter and sedan vs coupe is a way to define the pillar configuration. So if you specify number of doors + coupe or sedan, you can explain what's going on.

I'd say a 4 door without a b pillar is certainly not a sedan. No way you can argue that one. So then really what is it? Sleek sedan isn't a thing.

NinetyQ > Galant Enthusiast
09/18/2013 at 13:56

How on earth does the pillar define it? Look up the definition of coupe. The only people arguing that the pillars define whether it's a sedan or coupe are marketeers. The 4th-gen Continental was a sedan that happened to have no pillars. There's no way you can call that boat of a car with 4 doors a coupe. Absolutely no way. Number of doors is everything. Otherwise you're going to have to start calling things 2-door sedans if they have a B-pillar and reasonable backseats. Madness.

Galant Enthusiast > NinetyQ
09/18/2013 at 14:09

A civic "coupe" is a 2 door sedan. Marketing people just don't call them that because that sounds lame. There is no way a Continental or a 4 door Elmirage can be called a sedan, by definition a sedan has A, B, and C pillars. The only real definition I can find for a coupe is a hard top car sometimes with 2 doors and no B pillar. It used to be common practice to not have a B pillar on coupes anyway and then the definition got muddied a bit to include "sporty" 2 door sedans.

Wikipedia defines a sedan as "A sedan or saloon is a passenger car in a three-box configuration with A, B & C-pillars and principal volumes articulated in separate compartments for engine, passenger and cargo" Pillars define what a sedan is, like I've said the Continental, Elmirage, and an RX8 all have 4 doors and no b pillar. Everything I have ever seen says they can not be sedans, therefore fall into the grey area of a coupe.

NinetyQ > Galant Enthusiast
09/18/2013 at 14:16

Explain the Ford Business Coupe.

We're not going to agree here, so you might as well cut the crap. I'm arguing that for practical uses and maximizing understanding in the public, "4-door coupe" is not only illogical, but an oxymoron.

Galant Enthusiast > NinetyQ
09/18/2013 at 14:48

They used the wrong term, big deal. That's really what I'm arguing about in the first place here. Coupe is poorly defined and marketing people can call whatever they want a coupe because of that. (within reason)

There is no set definition of a coupe, you're the one trying to argue that it can't be one and I am yet to see anything to back that up. There is a definition of sedan and cars with no B pillar are not sedans, that's the end of that. So don't call people out and try to correct them about calling something a 4 door coupe, when there is a) no good definition for what a coupe is and b) you sure as hell can't call it a sedan.

So is it just a car? Does it have no class? Maybe there needs to be a new class for sexy looking 4 doors without a B pillar.

NinetyQ > Galant Enthusiast
09/18/2013 at 14:53

Nah, I'm going with anything 4 door, non-hatchback and that kind of thing is a sedan. That goes for things from a Ford Taurus to the Aston Martin Rapide. Two door cars with no B-pillar are to be referred to as a "pillarless coupe (or hardtop, but always in reference to a two-door car)." I've heard it described that way many times, which in your world is a redundancy. Two door cars with B-pillars are still coupes.

That's how I'd define it, just to keep things simple. Basically all two door cars can be called coupes, but not all B-pillarless cars.

Galant Enthusiast > NinetyQ
09/18/2013 at 15:04

I'd say may way (the right way), is just as simple. Nothing left to argue really, you don't sound like you're going to change your opinion and I'm not changing mine.

NinetyQ > Galant Enthusiast
09/18/2013 at 15:27

You haven't proven yours is the right way. We've both basically said it's a matter of opinion, but my stance is that your definitions are more convoluted than mine. 2 doors? Coupe. Four doors? Sedan. There are variations of both, but if someone mentions a coupe to me, I'm thinking of something with two doors, and I'd argue that the vast majority of people are too. Look up the cars we've mentioned on Wikipedia. The 4-door Continental is listed as a sedan. The Rapide is a "sport saloon (sedan)"